Episode 5 — The Friendship Fade Out

Episode 5 — The Friendship Fade Out
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Opting Out in Friendships: When Withdrawal Protects You (and When It Keeps You Stuck)

Lisa and Tanya continue their SOS coping-styles series (submit, opt out, storm in), focusing on “opting out” in friendships as avoidance that offers short-term relief but can worsen problems long-term; they note it applies to any relationship. They discuss recent weeks: Tanya’s recovery from hysterectomy and oophorectomy with exhaustion and forgetfulness, and Lisa’s difficult health week with Meibomian gland issues and increased worry. Tanya describes noticing Lisa “opting out” at dinner by mentally withdrawing into rumination, and they outline physical and emotional opting out (cancelling, letting friendships drift, being superficially present, withholding, or internally dismissing). They link opting out to unmet needs like safety, autonomy, and competence, discuss triggers such as social media comparison, social anxiety vs introversion, and burnout, weigh protective benefits versus costs (unrepaired ruptures, unasserted needs), and introduce using the “lifeguard”/healthy adult and RESET (Recognise, Exhale, Slow, Explore, Take one step) to respond intentionally.


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Tanya & Lisa

Dr Tanya Petersen and Dr Lisa Corbett met at university at 18, living next door to each other in halls. Nearly thirty years later, they're still friends, and for the past seven years they've been colleagues too.

Tanya is a Consultant Clinical Psychologist (DClinPsy), HCPC-registered, and an ISST Advanced Accredited Schema Therapist and Supervisor. She qualified in 2008, worked for years in NHS forensic services, and first encountered schema therapy in 2004 — which, in her words, felt like coming home.

Lisa is an HCPC-registered Counselling Psychologist (PsychD). She took the scenic route into psychology, via corporate work and volunteering with children's charities in South Africa, and has since worked across NHS and private settings.

They founded 2 Together to make schema psychology accessible — through the free Unstuck podcast, self-guided courses, and one-to-one online therapy.

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